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Jackson's Point welcome to the programs

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there's one right in the sky right now

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you're kidding uh I'm not kidding where

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are you

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um well I'm in the house now but for the

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last hour I've been standing right in

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the uh Recreation field here we're

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watching a true binoculars what are you

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seeing Joe would you tell us and I'll

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check that looks like a Christmas tree a

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my goodness you say you're a senior

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citizen how old are you sir pardon how

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old are you 625 you're 65. why you're

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still young

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would you would you mind giving us your

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name you don't have to

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uh well

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uh I wouldn't mind giving you my name

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but most probably a lot of people uh

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no I I disagree with you give your name

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Joe

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I think most people I think that most

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people are inclined to agree because so

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many people I've interviewed many myself

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my name is Joseph Scott Mr Scott well

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Trump listen Mr Scott I've just been

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informed that our investigator with his

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uh nose to the task uh has caught your

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remark and I think he'd like to ask you

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some questions I'm referring to Mr Henry

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McKay who is the metro area of UFO

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investigator who's spoken to many people

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like yourself who believe that they have

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seen this type of thing would you like

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to talk to him sure what all right just

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a moment Mr McKay can you hear me hello

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look again uh have you heard this

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Joe I got your first name Joe what is

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your last name Scott Joe Scott and

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you're a senior citizen living up at

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Jackson's point and you've told us that

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you've seen something through your

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binoculars outside uh would you believe

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is is an unidentified object I'm going

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to turn you over to Mr Mr McKay and let

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him ask you a few questions about that

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because he'll know better what you guys

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do than I would it's okay

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uh I believe Mr Scott can hear you now

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um

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but uh

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apparently fairly well after this guy

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is there any sound associated with you

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here and watch forward all right and uh

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to the local guy what does it look like

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well

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like a Christmas tree

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um

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and

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um

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with me uh watching a lot of respect uh

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stationary one

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that we've seen two editing uh I will

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say Northwest right over the top of the

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thank you very much

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on this

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uh Mr Scott yes let me thank you very

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much for contributing to our program

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tonight thank you okay I will say

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goodbye to you for the time being yes

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um are you are you on the same timeline

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as Mr Scott yes I see you take it over

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for Mr Scott

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oh Jack the new have observed the same

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things that Mr Scott has just described

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to us yes I see and uh do you go along

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with what he said I've been a ufologist

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for 15 years

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um I would like to speak to Matthew

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McCray all right you're there are you

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Henry yes would you go ahead hello how

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long have you been afraid of the

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yes and of course we are interested too

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in your intellect in regards to these

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sightings and your comprehensions of its

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mortality of the analogy of the apology

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one night again since that's the only

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name we have for you if you're going to

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go ahead and carry on this type of

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discussion with Mr McKay I must step in

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and get your full uh name and address

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and so forth since we have all that from

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Mr McKay would you mind giving out to us

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okay into your future oh well you're on

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the air do you have any reason for not

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giving us your uh your background sir I

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have a very strong reason oh you have a

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strong reason well it strikes me as very

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strange that you would uh in a way uh

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confront Mr McKay with the statements

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you just made without telling us who you

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are

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okay I mean you can't be just a voice in

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the night on cfgm okay my lineup it's

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not Jack no I see uh do you don't miss

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what Mr McKay is sells or what's been

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you underestimate his intellect in

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you know very much about Mr McKay yes

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you do yes uh Mr McKay do you know this

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man I doubt it you don't think you know

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him

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no I don't think so uh-huh what was to

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be the object of this program tonight is

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very much the object that Mr McKay seems

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to have and that is to to find out to

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dig out knowledge on UFOs and make it

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available to other people not to sway

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their their belief in this necessarily

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but but just to get the facts in front

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of them so that they can draw their own

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conclusions is there anything wrong with

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that I agree with you okay so we don't

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have any action right I don't think so

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oh wonderful thank you very much it's

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been a pleasure talking to you sir okay

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Mr McKay are you still there uh all

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right I wanted to get that straightened

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up because I'm just afraid this ad taste

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you know in the air and I wanted to get

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that clear that he didn't have an ax to

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grind

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uh Mr McKay I'm glad that you were able

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to join the program a little bit earlier

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than we expected we've got an idea of

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the types of questions that you ask when

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you're trying to authenticate or

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disprove or to do upload for writing

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what would you tell us sir why you

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became interested in this subject you've

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obviously put an awful lot of time and

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effort into it

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the question of whether an entrepreneur

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reports of nothing cannot discount all

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the reports there are

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I was more convincible

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you questioned uh this gentleman out of

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Jackson's Point how about what he

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believes he's looking at out there

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tonight uh are you inclined to believe

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that what he saw was something authentic

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is something from say another

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that's right or boy if they really saw

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something you would think that other

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people will call

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now they may not be able to get onto our

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program tonight uh Mr McKay would you

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like to give us an address where they

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could write you and and and and convey

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their sighting to the information on

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their citing to you uh yes I will but

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I'd like to emphasize the part that I'm

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not in a position to supply

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I'll provide information on UFOs or any

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literature available I give me recalls

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and letters requesting information and

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I'm just not in the position you haven't

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revolved this into a commercial

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that's what you're saying we hear it's

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still just a matter of your own personal

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interest in the whole subject a member

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of a number of organizations so I just

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can't handle all the correspondence uh

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request the information I would like to

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receive all the available reports one

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will be well documented suppose you tell

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us now Mr McKay what you would do with

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that information well uh I have to try

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that kind of like from the sky or be

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like this

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approaches and Landing sites where

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details can be loaded how about

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photographs

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fact or of an object

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a hope could you assume uh Mr McCabe

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that if you felt there was something

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authentic in a given report or in a

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series of reports that you would Channel

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I mean you say you belong to a number of

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organizations would this information be

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conveyed to them uh yes but I would

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suggest that the people who are

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uh continuing one copy for themselves

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from one to the National research

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councilman Ottawa

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that's very good all right I'm sure

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we'll uh we'll find out more about you

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as uh in the next 25 minutes or so Mr

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McKay I'm thinking that uh we should get

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back to the call since our lines are

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jammed and give you the opportunity and

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the people calling the opportunity for a

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conversation on the subject and we'll be

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right back uh with this program on 44

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tonight

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this commercial announcement there I

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guess we're back to line one are we Ian

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c-hum you're on the air go ahead

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the the fellow from Jackson's point

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foreign

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form really for some reason all of our

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lines were jammed and we tried to clear

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all of the phone calls so the people

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were holding on would you mind calls up

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again and we'll start over

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uh I don't know maybe someone from

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downtown as well could someday figure

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out what actually happened there but Ian

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and I went through our normal process

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and yet you heard the sounds the

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Distortion that occurred on the program

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and I must apologize to you for it we'll

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get right back to our calls again and I

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hope that that won't happen again we'll

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go to line one phone good evening yo

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I'm sorry for that mix up were you one

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of the people who was uh waiting yeah

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well like this and then they put me on

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hold yeah okay maybe it's just that

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there are too many people dialing in at

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once to get on the program but we're

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talking about UFOs and do you have

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something to tell us yeah um like I

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never seen a UFO before okay uh neither

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have I

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was just wondering and

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I was wondering you know what the year

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later that we have now the radar yeah

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right you know uh clean day uh

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noises we had before so I'm certainly

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not in a position to answer that but I

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would think that yes it's quite possible

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that our Department of Defense possibly

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even our the department of government

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dealing with National Communications

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must have some evidence of something

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that has been picked up on their radar

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Scopes I think because uh what I was

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wondering was that you know it's on the

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radio and there's nothing you know like

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in the paper on television and uh when

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you brought the subject up tomorrow

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about the UFO yes trust me you think and

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whether he was true or not but uh makes

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you wonder doesn't it no no are you

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inclined to believe there will be

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visited from outer space for me yeah are

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you inclined to believe that yes I am

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you know you think that it's logical and

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possible

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yeah that's my feeling exactly I'm a bit

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of a Thomas I like to put my finger in

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the room but but on the other hand it's

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it's hard to deny such a rush of reports

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from so many types of people on these

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UFO studies listen thanks for calling

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okay okay bye-bye

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are you calling from the same house no

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the same things you saw three of these

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things yeah are they out there now

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about eight o'clock around 8pm

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uh would you describe one of these

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things I

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um wait a minute I'm in Florida Mr McKay

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is back we'll let him do the questioning

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okay just a moment please hello Henry

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hello we have just found another uh

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person out in the Jacksons uh Point area

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uh to verify that earlier call is the

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lady at Willow Beach would you like to

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talk to her I will go ahead Henry hello

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hi hi

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could you describe the action

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well the first one that went down

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towards Toronto and disappeared and the

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the second one followed and when it

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disappeared to see what is the same

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[Music]

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no

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you have to write the altitude

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[Music]

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where you're located

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um

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would you estimate the angle from your

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I know

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are you familiar

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right

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[Music]

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very cloudy

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thank you very much okay thank you for

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okay

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I must apologize for that telephone

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mixed up earlier Henry uh I'm still at a

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lot to explain it it just seemed that

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everything on the whole telephone system

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here jammed we had to clear all the

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lines and start over in order to get

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go back to Dave uh Dave what was it

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November about uh 54 years ago now or

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was it five

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1973 1970 we're talking five years ago

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already

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um

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that's five years and a couple of weeks

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ago uh man we were doing a show here and

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we had conferenced in Henry McKay the

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federal let alone Toronto UFO

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investigator and

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um we had arranged for him to well no we

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hadn't arranged as a matter of fact some

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folks called us from out of town who

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claim to be watching a year for that

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great time that's right and um we

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mentioned a certain name as you relate

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in your books and all of a sudden

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everything went straight here on the air

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we were knocked off the air when our

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colleagues were knocked off the

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telephone lines there was a there was a

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strange sound on the air at that time

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and uh what were you doing I don't know

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I know what I was doing I was sitting

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here and my hair was standing straight

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up what were you gonna do so I was

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sitting in an old drill taping the show

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because as a matter of fact I was

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associated with Henry at the time in a

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UFO course that he was teaching in

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Toronto and he mentioned that he was

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going to be on the show doing a phone in

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thing and I thought well we'll see what

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kind of calls we get about UFO signings

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in the area recently so I taped the show

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and and as a matter of fact I didn't

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think too much of the the noise the

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interference at the time I thought it

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was a technical malfunction as a matter

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of fact it wasn't until uh two three

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years later when something else came up

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I heard an interview with another UFO

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researcher in the area who mentioned

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that several Toronto UFO researchers

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have been having trouble with their

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telephones in other words their

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telephone calls concerning UFO research

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have been interrupted by some weird

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interference it was being interviewed on

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a CBC radio show at the time and he

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mentioned the fact that even a radio

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show concerned UFOs had been jammed that

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was the word he used and that triggered

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my memory and I remembered the incident

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and I said darn it I got a tape for that

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show I'm going to play it again and see

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what happened just to refresh my memory

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and I played it and then I decided to

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get a hold of you and find out if you

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found any mechanical reasons for that

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particular interference I was to tell

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the truth I was really surprised that

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you hadn't you know I thought there

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would have been essential explanation

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for that well to the extent that we

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investigated it we didn't we were not

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able to find the recent board either

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from our own station engineer nor from

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the Bell Telephone Company right so we

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really had no obvious explanation for it

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in any event yeah and then you went

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further than that yeah right I got a

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hold of an Electronics expert and who

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analyzed the signal from the tape and

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his conclusions were that in order to

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create such an interference on your show

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some electromagnetic source with a power

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at least twice the power with which you

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were transmitting would have to be

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responsible for jamming you off the air

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and that would mean something in the

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neighborhood of a hundred thousand Watts

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which is pretty strong and as you know

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there's nothing around here with that

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capability now again we come into

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conclusions whether we when we say you

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know when we speculate that there was

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any relationship between this

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interference and the UFO that was being

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reported at the time but nevertheless

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the whole thing was more of an

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attention-getting device to grab my

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attention to the fact that Jerry

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Armstrong the mention of Jerry

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Armstrong's name had apparently

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triggered interference and it caused me

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to get into the investigation of the

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events of the book as I recall I didn't

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understand his name and I was getting

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him to repeat it uh what actually

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happened

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um and this is fresh in my mind because

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I recently played the tape was that uh

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he meant you he got into an all vacation

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with Henry McKay on that show yeah and

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you made him uh reveal his name you

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mentioned that you don't usually do that

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on a radio show but since uh because of

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the tone of the conversation you wanted

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to know his name and he revealed it and

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then a few minutes later later somebody

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else telephone in and mentioned his name

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and it was at the second mentioning in

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his of his name by somebody else that

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the interference started ah yes yeah

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because Jerry Armstrong and I had words

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uh because he was questioning the

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credibility of Henry uh it appeared that

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way it appeared to me it appeared I'm

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pretty sensitive to those things I don't

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allow badgering on the show right and uh

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so immediately uh the hairs on the back

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of my neck went up and I said well all

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right I'll allow this to continue

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providing me you let us know who you are

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you know who we are now let's make it

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for a game tell us who you are and uh

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because of um the his profession at the

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time he preferred to remain anonymous

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but it was so important to him that he

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finally uh reluctantly uh revealed his

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um

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until that time on his show there's

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never been that type of interference

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anytime and since that time many of my

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other producers can verify it has never

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happened again except about a year ago

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when we brought you on the show again

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and we played the tape of what happened

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in 1973 and lo and behold 15 minutes

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railroad when it was coming and we're

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talking and could hear it in the

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background coming and we're all looking

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at one another wow here it is again and

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after we acknowledged it it just